Collaboratory Podcast

Symbiosis as Co-Creativity

by | 20 Oct, 2022

Collaboratory Season 1
Collaboratory Season 1
Symbiosis as Co-Creativity

In this episode of Collaboratory, Dr Maya Haviland talks with Professor Celeste Linde and Dr Merryn McKinnon about what the science of symbiosis, and fungi in particular, can teach us about the dynamics of co-creativity. Read the full show notes on our website


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Professor Celeste Linde is a researcher focused on fungal-plant-interactions. Her work includes both applied and pure research on a range of important pathogens as well as plant beneficial organisms such as mycorrhizal fungi. She is also interested in evolutionary aspects of plant-fungal-interactions, often utilising population genetic and phylogenetic tools to investigate fungal biology.

You can find Celeste online at Australian National University websiteResearch Gate

Dr Merryn McKinnon is a scientist and science communicator who designs and delivers science communication workshops, as well as workshops specifically for women in STEM. Her research explores why publics react and respond to scientific issues the way they do. She is actively building a research program exploring the influence of equity, inclusion and intersectionality in STEM, especially STEM communication. She regularly contributes to ABC Radio on ABC Sydney’s Nightlife and Radio National’s Research Filter, talking about interesting science from around the world.

You can find Merryn online at Australian National university websiteLinkedInTwitter


“Entangled Life: How Fungi make our worlds, change our minds and shape our futures “, Merlin Sheldrake, 2020, Bodley Head, London.

“Finding the Mother Tree: Discovering the Wisdom of the Forest”, Suzanne Simard, 2021, Alfred A. Knopf, New York.

“Trees and fungi are the ultimate friends with benefits”, Gemma Conroy, ABC Science, 2 August, 2022.

“Do we need a new theory of evolution?”, Stephen Buranyi, The Guardian, 28 June, 2022.

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Collaboratory is written, edited and produced by Maya Haviland with production and editorial assistance from Nicole Deen. Audio engineering by Nick McCorriston. Music made especially for us by Seprock. Additional research and production support by Nicole O’Dowd.

Collaboratory is produced on the lands of the Ngunnawal, Ngunawal and Ngambri  people.We pay our respects, an ongoing gratitude to the custodian’s past present and future of the lands on which we work and of the knowledges from which we learn.

Collaboratory is a production of the Scaffolding Cultural Co-creativity Project hosted by the Center for Heritage and Museum Studies in the College of Arts and Social Sciences at the Australian National University funding is generously provided by the Australian National University Translational Fellowship Scheme.


Hosts: Maya Haviland, Nicole Deen, Audio Engineer: Nick McCorriston, Featured guests: Jenny Savigny, Stephen Corey